READER’S EDITORIAL: WHITE SUPREMACIST VIOLENCE IS NOT FREE SPEECH

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Statement by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of California

 August 17, 2017 (San Diego) -- Our country’s greatest strengths are the diversity of its people and the principles of equal dignity and inclusion that unite us all. There are troubling events planned in our state in the coming weeks. This is an incredibly painful and difficult time for millions of Californians. 

For those who are wondering where we stand – the ACLU of California fully supports the freedom of speech and expression, as well as the freedom to peacefully assemble. We review each request for help on a case-by-case basis, but take the clear position that the First Amendment does not protect people who incite or engage in violence.

If white supremacists march into our towns armed to the teeth and with the intent to harm people, they are not engaging in activity protected by the United States Constitution. The First Amendment should never be used as a shield or sword to justify violence.

- Abdi Soltani, Executive Director of the ACLU of Northern California

- Hector Villagra, Executive Director of the ACLU of Southern California

- Norma Chávez-Peterson, Executive Director of the ACLU of San Diego & Imperial Counties

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Ramming a car into a crowd was not "free speech."

Carrying torches and swastikas, pepper spray, bottles filled with urine, some filled with chemicals, both hurled at counter-proteters,  toting machine guns in a public rally were meant to intimidate at best, hurt people at worst.  The police were outgunned, limiting their ability to intervene without putting officers at risk.

Those are not protected actions, though offensive speech is protected. If they'd showed up unarmed and merely marched, thir message would still be obnoxious to most people, but the actions would not illegal. They are getting to be like the anarchists at G-8 summits that foment violence and hate.

words are not violence nor do they equal violence

no one has said running a car into people is or was free speech , if there is a link I would like to see that

they were NOT carrying machine guns, the police were NOT outgunned, there are pictures on the web of police armored vehicles standing by and the police were armed with appropriate weapons. The Virginia State Police has already said the governor did not tell the truth regarding a pretend weapons stash.

there is no excuse for ANY violence, the left is as guilty as links below show, the times and the atlantic are hardly right wing politics

Thank you for mentioning the criminals that show up at the G-8 meetings , antifa is no different, remember the criminal actions in DC after President Trump's inauguration

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/17/charlottesville-law-en...

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-vio...

https://acculturated.com/daily-scene/words-arent-violence/

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/17/jake-tapper-antifa-protesters-atta...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/antifa-left-wing-faction-far-right...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%...

words are not violence , political beliefs are not violence, only those who start the violence are to be condemned for it.

Only liberals suppress speech they don't like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall In The Friends of Voltaire, Hall wrote the phrase: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

agree

they lump everything into one bucket while defending the racist group la raza, the terrorist and racist black lives matter group, islamic terrorists and illegal aliens. too bad they hate the taxpaying citizens

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the one trip pony does its act

insult, never speak to the real issue, trying to silence all the people and ideas that frighten them
complain but never offer a solution

time for a new shtick