HAUNTINGS IN EL CAJON? PARANORMAL PROJECT TEAMS UP TO INVESTIGATE

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By Rebecca Jefferis Williamson

Ghost hunting --just in time for Halloween!  The El Cajon Paranormal Project, spearheaded by Kitty Davis and Jennifer Kacizak, is tracking down some spirited tales at a reportedly haunted neighborhood in El  Cajon. 

“We’re the real thing.” said Davis.  The project was formed about a year ago and currently is focusing on a two square mile radius in El Cajon with borders set at Graves Avenue, Madison Avenue, and Ballantyne Street.

On October 26, a group of the paranormal investigators visited an apartment complex on Ballantyne preparing to do a follow-up research from a previous session and to do a “cleansing” of the apartment. 

Eugene Ojeda lives in the apartment with his 15-year-old daughter Madeline.Ojeda and his daughter have had a variety of strange experiences such as the TV channel changing on its own, unexplained footsteps, cat’s eyes following something that isn’t there, plus much more.

Their friend, Lydia Cummings, has cell phone pictures with what looks like the classic image of ectoplasm floating in the living room. 

According to Kacizak, cell phones are  vessels that can store previously recorded E.V.P.s (or electronic voice phenomena).  She played back recordings with unexplained voices she claims were made during the investigation at other El Cajon locations.  Recordings ranged from simple responses like “yes” to phrases that included profanity.

Davis explained that the investigation on the 26th included  team after team rotating into the apartment every 30 minutes.  Each team included mediums, “ sensitives” or individuals who are sensitive to the spiritual world, and “skeptics” who try to debunk any findings.  Approximately five teams went into the apartment,  after which the cleansing was held.  The group claims to have measured electronic magnetic frequencies (EMFs) not accounted for by power lines or other earthly equipment.

Electronic equipment familiar to anyone who has watched shows like Ghost Hunters was used---temperature gauges, laptops, recording devices, cameras set up for night filming in key rooms.

But a lower tech item—the herb sage-- was  on hand for the cleansing.

“A growing collection of paranormal researchers aim to get to the bottom of hauntings in the city,” stated Davis. Others have reported a variety of ghostly sightings.

 On the group’s Facebook page, Ari Kitti wrote about a home on Chase Avene. “M y husband caught some on video but the were just balls of light. I actually saw a man standing in front of my bed one night. One day at work I was just chatting with a lady there from another department and I was telling her I was thinking of buying a house. I told her where I was living and my address. She immediately said, "Did you know that house is haunted?"

If any of these claims are real, whose ghosts might be haunting El Cajon?  Nobody knows, though theories range from ancient Kumeyaay Indians to victims of a smallpox epidemic  to people who died in a church fire long ago.

 The El Cajon Paranormal Project will investigate this area more and seeks anyone who can provide an in-depth history relating to this land area or other any information that might be helpful.  To contact the El Cajon Paranormal Project,  call 949-306-3048.  You can also visit the group’s Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/events/209941699176835/.

Comments

Please be cautious, not defensive!

 

Well, it is not a crime to be incompetent, to use or switch different names, or even “borrow” money from meetup members-the defunct Para-Trackers as well as San Diego Paranormal Research Group. It is even not a crime to refuse to repay people who were so kind to lend you money. But it is fraud and theft to construct a meetup primararily to manipulate and take of advantage of people for financial gain.

What raised my suspicious was the extent of the incompetence-all but 2 meetups were cancelled. She didn’t even attend the 2nd one in its entirety because she was 1 ½ hour late. What was proposed and planned: the Amy Bruni lecture, the East County Paranormal Conference, the Paranormal Research Center were not only not brought to fruition, they were never meant to be. It was all smoke and mirrors. These projects were meant to distract us from her real nature and to distract us from her actual intent. You are hoping for a really big payout so you overlook the inconveniences and inconsistencies. Plus, how could somebody so addled have such nefarious intent? Or even be able to execute it?

But make no mistake, it wasn’t for lack of trying. The most serious example would be her attempt at phising for personal and bank information. After I received my refund from PayPal-which by the way, her account was set up through a defunct beauty school in Atlanta, GA (not suspicious…nah……) I received several suspicious emails. These emails were from people who addresses I had deleted years ago. Each of them consisted of an empty subject line and a link in the main body of the email. The link was composed a series of random characters, no message or greeting. Several other people also experienced the same thing. Phising scams through PayPal are not uncommon, sadly. Thankfully, nobody had their accounts hacked.

When I discovered that Kay, Lisa Kraig, Ari Kitty, Kitty Davis, was out and about, I had to say something.  I couldn’t rest knowing that there might be a chance that somebody else might be a target of her schemes. Perhaps you don’t see this side of her. Sociopaths are very good in compartmentalizing. However, to think that this person might be going into peoples’ homes makes me shudder.

Lastly, the racist card comment is quite ridiculous. APS and the meetups that have complained about her are a perfect microcosm of San Diego-all ethnicities and backgrounds are represented. Clearly, she is desperate to deflect any kind of criticism and scrutiny. Like religion, the race card is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

PS: The co-ordinators for Para-Trackers had nothing to do with Amy Bruni, so what she told you is not true. The group was small enough that we knew all the other members and their actions. There was no "girl who jumped the gun".

Final Thoughts

I think that Marshamellow, IleanD, or currenty  A.M. really put forth some interesting points regarding the El Cajon Paranormal Project. Integrity is the most important part of being involved in the paranormal community, at the end of the day that is really all we have. Since I have known Kitty Davis or Ana?, she was successful in getting SDPE into the Liberty Theater last year where they had a incredible investigation, the only need on her part was transportation to get there. She also provided a monitor to the team for there DVR system. Unfortunately SDPE and Kitty had to part ways, given fundamental differences in investigative styles (which is still the case).  I think it was SDPE's hope that as a team they could help the residents in El Cajon without want of credit or personal interest. It does seem thought that SDPE was doing the primary work of the investigation and wasn't mentioned at all in this article. I personally feel that the El Cajon project has been blown way out of proportion. There is very little basis for a 2 mile square block search of El Cajon. I made this point a week ago on the facebook page (which is now a closed group). Even the appointed historian has pointed to murders and church fires outside the distance of the current location. NOTHING IN MY RESEARCH POINTS TO A WIDE SCALE HAUNT. 

As for Jenn, I have investigated with her at the Santee Historical Society, she is still learning (aren't we all?) I don't think even Jen would classify herself as an expert in apparitional experiences. She did work with SDPE shortly in 2012 then ParaCSI in early 2013, and now operates her own group Grave Babes. The edit news clip from channel 10 gives a false view of her using a cell phone to collect EVP's, when in fact she was using her phone to play back a stored file from online.

There are things each paranormal group does that are debatable with other groups. For example posting weeks worth of training ads at 5 dollars a piece for a webinar? Since when do we train potential new invstigators to make a buck? These are the kind of practices that should be heavily scruntinized. For the ske of paraunity I will not go further into that subject.

 

http://www.sandiegohaunted.comSandiegohaunted

About the Webinars

 

Hi adminsandiegohaunted,

Thanks for your input.  I'm the director of the team that's doing the webinars. We're not charging our investigators to participate in the webinars, but instead inviting anyone who wants to partake in our training for $5/webinar (much cheaper than what the Rhine Research Center or HCH Institute charges) as a fundraiser to help us with our case expenses such as gas, food, lodging for the out of town cases, etc. as well as our website fees, Meetup expenses, etc. which we stated on our Meetup page. We find that we want to give something in return instead of just asking for donations.  It dives deeper than our Meetups which are $1/person (and other paranormal centric groups charge a buck or two for their meetings), and we were asked by our Meetup attendees to offer something more academic heavy.  We also don't require monthly dues from our investigators unlike other groups (and there's nothing wrong with that) so we're finding different avenues to raise money for our team expenses.  I hope this clears up some of our intentions, and if not, feel free to email us at assocofparanormalstudy@gmail.com.  But 

When it comes to the El Cajon Paranormal Project, I was only able to participate via FB messaging when Kittie was setting it up and the FB group.  I can only judge from what I've heard from other investigators.  I only wish the clients a good and productive resolution to their haunting.

 

Jen here.....

Thank you for clearing that up. I admit I am not an expert and will always be learning. Nobody knows "everything". We all have our own styles of investigating. As for SDPE doing most of the work, that is because they had about 10+ people investigating, while the other groups, such as mine, had only a few members present. It irritates me that people don't see me as doing anything. I agree, I don't have much to offer "psychic wise", but I do have a lot equipment to use, which in itself takes a lot of time to ensure everything is charged and working correctly. On top of that, I upload all the evidence from the video cameras and digital recorders for everybody to have access to review. I don't see all of the other teams sharing their evidence as well. Evidence review takes a very long time, which nobody seems to grasp. When we pack up and leave, it doesn't mean we are finished investigating. We have hours and hours of work still ahead of us. 

Anybody that knows me or has actually investigated with me knows that I always give 100%. Never do I sit around and watch everybody else do all of the work. I always want to be involved as much as possible. I don't understand why people think I don't do anything. I run my group differently. My group aims towards those that have always been interested in the paranormal, yet do not want the commitment it takes to be on a team (mandatory meetings, probation periods, dues, hierarchy...etc.) I think of it as a stepping stone so that anybody interested can learn the basics. 

Whether this project consists of "high activity" or not, I still am getting the opportunity to learn and meet new people. It is also a great opportunity to teach those who are curious what goes into an investigaton. Some people are just starting to develop their skills and I do my best to help them expand on that.  I am disappointed that people are so negative about what we do. We are simply trying to give clients piece of mind, being curious and fascinated along the way. 

This negativity sometimes makes me think I should have stuck to knitting as a hobby, rather than being ripped on for trying to help others. I thought those in the paranormal community were to come together to help people out, not trying to take all the "credit" or jump to false conclusions about other groups or investigators. 

Hate on me all you want, I enjoy what I do (even with the negativity) and I enjoy introducing others to the paranormal world. Those who don't like my style of investigating don't need to invite me on investigations or ask me to investigate. There are many teams out there that may be better suited for your needs. I have plenty of clients interested in the way I do things, as I allow them to be part of the process as well if they so desire. My goal is simply to investigate, educate and enjoy doing it without any drama or negativity. 

 

 

Ok here we go

Ok I've been a musician for the past 10 years and have dealt with many flakes and it's sad to say finding dedicated paranormal investigators is hard to find. Not here to bash anyone just letting the community know to do some research on your own first before bringing a team in to investigate your place of business or residence. You don't want to bring in a team that is gonna create more problems than the ones that already exist. 1st of all equipment is good but in all reality you just need a EVP recorder a good camera dvr Etc. But most of all professionalism and experience (smoking weed and watching ghostbusters isn't what I call experience) but unfortunately dedicated teams that know what the hell they are doing is rare to find. Well I think I've said enough and by the way I have worked on well over 100 various paranormal investigations and have encountered several forms of entity's so I'm not some poser running my mouth pretending to be something I'm not. Like I said before this is a friendly warning to our community be careful who you bring into your home to investigate plus you don't want to piss off whatever may be haunting your place. Thank you for taking the time to read this. 

Happy hunting 

also thanks to the P.F.S.D (Paranormal Flakes of San Diego)

Ok here we go

Ok I've been a musician for the past 10 years and have dealt with many flakes and it's sad to say finding dedicated paranormal investigators is hard to find. Not here to bash anyone just letting the community know to do some research on your own first before bringing a team in to investigate your place of business or residence. You don't want to bring in a team that is gonna create more problems than the ones that already exist. 1st of all equipment is good but in all reality you just need a EVP recorder a good camera dvr Etc. But most of all professionalism and experience (smoking weed and watching ghostbusters isn't what I call experience) but unfortunately dedicated teams that know what the hell they are doing is rare to find. Well I think I've said enough and by the way I have worked on well over 100 various paranormal investigations and have encountered several forms of entity's so I'm not some poser running my mouth pretending to be something I'm not. Like I said before this is a friendly warning to our community be careful who you bring into your home to investigate plus you don't want to piss off whatever may be haunting your place. Thank you for taking the time to read this. 

Happy hunting 

also thanks to the P.F.S.D (Paranormal Flakes of San Diego)

Ok here we go

Ok I've been a musician for the past 10 years and have dealt with many flakes and it's sad to say finding dedicated paranormal investigators is hard to find. Not here to bash anyone just letting the community know to do some research on your own first before bringing a team in to investigate your place of business or residence. You don't want to bring in a team that is gonna create more problems than the ones that already exist. 1st of all equipment is good but in all reality you just need a EVP recorder a good camera dvr Etc. But most of all professionalism and experience (smoking weed and watching ghostbusters isn't what I call experience) but unfortunately dedicated teams that know what the hell they are doing is rare to find. Well I think I've said enough and by the way I have worked on well over 100 various paranormal investigations and have encountered several forms of entity's so I'm not some poser running my mouth pretending to be something I'm not. Like I said before this is a friendly warning to our community be careful who you bring into your home to investigate plus you don't want to piss off whatever may be haunting your place. Thank you for taking the time to read this. 

Happy hunting 

also thanks to the P.F.S.D (Paranormal Flakes of San Diego)

Agreed

Always research the team you choose to investigate with. I don't understand why some people feel the need to "bash", when all we are doing is trying to help clients understand the activity they may be experiencing. Every team investigates differently. I myself, lead of the Grave Babes, take a more casual approach. As I tend to be a skeptic, I bring others in when necessary, such as mediums, channelers, demonologists, etc...I never attempt to do anything that I am not experienced in, just to say I did it. I have experienced a few investigators on other teams that "fake" evidence, which always boggles me. Unless there is solid proof, such as a Class A EVP or an unusual photo, I tend not to believe it. Some investigators tend to have very active imaginations. I myself do depend on using scientific gadgets to back up any evidence I do experience, as I am not a sensitive or have similar "gifts". That being said, there are quite a few fake and flaky paranormal groups out there. As long as you do your research, you are sure to find a group that suits your needs. 

This is Jennifer

Wow, quite a judgementsl bunch! I do use a digital recorder and NOT my phone to record EVP's. I simply  had the reporter listen to some evps that I had saved on my Dropbox account via my phone. She made a mistake when  writing this article. I have spend hundreds of dollars on equipment, I know better than not to use my phone for evidence. 

This exerpt from the article

This exerpt from the article is wrong in many ways:
 

"According to Kacizak, cell phones are vessels that can store previously recorded E.V.P.s (or electronic voice phenomena).  She played back recordings with unexplained voices she claims were made during the investigation at other El Cajon locations.  Recordings ranged from simple responses like “yes” to phrases that included profanity."
 

 
1. The only "vessel" I used my cell phone for was a file storage program called Dropbox. This is an app where I store all my evidence from past investigations. I also never use the word vessel, so that is clearly a misquote.  
 
2. I never once claimed any of the EVPs were from El Cajon. I specifically told her where they were recorded at, none of which were even close to El Cajon. How could they even be from "other  EL Cajon" investigations, when we were only on our second investigation at the same exact place?!  At  that point there were never any "other locations in El Cajon" that we investigated yet. She should have already known that. 
 
Maybe she had me mixed up with somebody else she interviewed. Never once did I say either of those things. I find it extremeky disheartening that so many are so quick to judge others without knowing all the facts. 

More negativity?!

I wasn't "maligning" anybody. We spoke about some PREVIOUS investigations that I have been on and how I caught some very clear EVP's. I opened my Dropbox account on my phone and played them from there, so she could hear an example of what I was talking about. I told her specifically where they were recorded, a cemetery, another residence, etc.. I never once told her they were EVPs from the current investigation that we were running. I couldn't have played her back an EVP from the night we were there anyway, as we review them the days AFTER the investigation. She got her facts wrong and I simply defended myself, as some are making it out as if I am so inexperienced that I am using my phone to record EVPs. I use a digital recorder, not a phone. She witnessed the entire investigaton as well, she should have clearly seen the equipment we used. An iPhone was never once being used for EVPs. This is where fact checking should be of utmost importance. I am not saying that she is a bad journalist, I am saying she did not get all the facts correct. 

Know the details

First of all, I was part of the Meetup group you mentioned. I know there was know intention on that person's part to "scam" anyone. There were no "false" events ( I went to a couple of them). There were events that did not cost anything. And looking at where any charge for an event went to, they went to the vendors of the sites that put on the tours. Kay was a bit over-ambitious, but that's a lesson learned.   I know that a third party "jumped the gun" and posted about Amy Bruni, not Kay. I do know that Kay chewed the hell out of the girl who was handeling the promotions and who posted that without checking if Amy did get the request yet.  I've seen the reservation numbers for the Queen Mary that Kay had. She was not able to get a ride to the Queen Mary (if someone did say they'd give her a ride from the meeting place for it, they sure as hell did not wait for her)  She cannot drive due a the DMV restriction against driving put on her because of prescription medication she takes (I'm told it's temporary). She would normally ride a motorcycle.
Kay has told me that she used her name middle name 'Kay' and Step father's last name 'Allen' because an ex of her's was stalking her in Meetup groups.  Find the details out before you start trying to trash someone.

I also do know that, just this past Saturday night, there were rotations of small groups in and out of the apartment. Another apartment was checked out. They even cleaned the apartment of bad spirits, for that they brought in a lady who has 30+ years of experience. The neighborhood in pockets still needs to be investigated, not all at once, the article does not mention that. The project I know is not a "sham" and this is not "spotlighting any scam artist". They do have experience in paranormal investigating and the project is NOT charging anyone, that is a load of crap. Why don't you come down and find out in person??

Kitty is a very kind, big hearted person who was misunderstood and her motivations were misunderstood. I'm also a fellow members of hers in a women's motorcycle club and have known her for at least 8 or more years. Get to know her some more before you sling B.S. please.

Oh and I also know that Kitty traveled 3000 miles on a greyhound bus with the spirit cleaning women to help a client and did not charge anyone there. Then they travelled 3000 miles back. So you might want to check the details about someone (anyone) and really get to know them.
 

Further

How about if you ask the client in the apartment (they gave their permission for their names to be used which they gave the reporter whio wrote this, NOT THE INVESTIGATORS) about what went on in that investigation? They were NOT charged.  And also for the record, if anyone were charged money for a Meetup event there, if the event didn't happen they (including the Queen Mary event people) were refunded their money. Stop with the B.S.!!  Is this how we treat a disabled us army Afghan vet? (Kitty is one).

And this is to the 'muscian' - way to jump to conclusions buddy!  You are wrong, sorry no soup for you.

BrettFoxx

Brett has worked with Kitty "ANA" and knows Jenn. 

Yes

I have been on a couple investigations with Brett. I do admit that I am disappointed that he thinks of us "flakes". I don't understand why he would think that about me. I always give investigations 110%. True, I don't see "apparitions" as others claim to see. As I mentioned before, I mainly rely on scientific evidence. He knows this, as he has seen me investigate. I have never  once claimed to have experience in something I don't, nor will I ever. I simply do and share what I do know. I also never once have claimed to be an expert in anything. Well, maybe I am an expert in making nachos, but that's about it. 

Jen here

I can't confirm your "facts" about Kittie, however I am here to defend myself. To say I didn't do anything is false. Had you have been there, you would have clearly seen I did not sit on my ass and do nothing. Mind you, it takes a very long time to review evidence, organize the teams, equipment checks, etc... Do you not consider that as anything? The first night was a bit hectic, I agree. The leads of all the teams met and worked out the kinks.  As for the client confidentiality, if they wanted to remain anonymous, we would have respected that. They agreed to be interviewed for this article, we did not disclose anything they didn't want us to.

The second investigation went extremely smooth with groups of 3-4, rotating throughout the night. There are four teams working on this project, so yes, we had kinks to work out, which we did. Not one singular group did "all the work". We all have our individual skills and  we used them. We just began this project, so yes, we have only been to two places. There are still many residences we still are set to investigate. This is a giant project, it cannot be done in one week. As for $$$$ and to be on TV, I don't know where you  are getting this from. We NEVER charge, ever. Nor are we "pitching" anything to be on TV. We love what we do. We find it fascinating. We enjoy helping clients.  It is not a "sham" and an "insult", , as you put it. You obviously were not  there if you are stating I did not do anything to  help run  the investigation. 

If you happen to be an investigator as well, please don't make accusations before you know all of the facts. Any intelligent investigator can tell you that. 

 

The stuff underneath

Jennifer, there were some people who used to make racist comments about Kitty (and her middle name used for safety reasons) who were with a Meetup group with her. So possible racism makes me think 'hmmm I wonder'.  Just thought I'd let you know about the people like that who might be harshly judging.